Westboro wins another round….

Last week I got a call from George Cyboron, our Department Commander for Nebraska, who alerted me to this news story:
The controversial Westboro Baptist Church has won another round in the name of free speech with the 8th Circuit ruling to block a Nebraska law that prohibits protests at funerals.
In granting the injunction, the court concluded that the government was unlikely to prove a significant interest in protecting funeral attendees. The ruling overturns a federal judge's decision to deny the injunction, sought by Shirley Phelps-Roper and the Westboro Baptist Church.
I spent a good part of the weekend, and all day yesterday poring over that case, and 4 others that basically deal with the same thing. I found the case itself fairly interesting not because all three judges ruled in favor of Westboro, but because they all seemed to hate the decision to do so. Essentially, a court (like the 8th Circuit in this case) is bound by previous decisions on the same subject (the doctrine of Stare Decisis is a legal principle by which judges are obliged to respect the precedents established by prior decisions.) Because of an earlier case (Phelps-Roper v. Nixon) the Court had little option other than to abide by it.
But the interesting thing is that all three judges issued Concurring Opinions where they questioned the validity of the Nixon case:
Judge Murphy:
While our earlier decision in Phelps-Roper v. Nixon, 545 F.3d 685 (8th Cir. 2008), requires reversal in this case, I believe that Nixon's resolution of the competing legal interests arising in that case should be reconsidered by the full court.
Judge Beam:
Accordingly, I believe that Snyder [more on Snyder in a minute] now opens the door for this circuit to look again at the issues presented in this litigation, and it should do so. While I concede that I am bound by Nixon's precedent, I reject, as earlier indicated, Nixon's limitations. I believe that it is constitutionally sound, in the balancing test we must make in a case such as this, to employ other expressly enumerated First Amendment rights as we decide whether to erect a constitutional shield for the family and friends of this deceased against the self-centered verbal and written thrusts of appellant in the name of free speech.
Judge Colloton:
For reasons explained in the per curiam opinion, this panel is bound by Phelps-Roper v. Nixon, 545 F.3d 685, 691-92 (8th Cir. 2008), to reverse the judgment of the district court. Five judges voted to rehear Nixon en banc, id. at 685 n.*, and I continue to favor reconsideration of that precedent.
So, what is the issue that these judges thinks needs reconsidering? Well, two issues actually, the effect of the Supreme Court Snyder v. Phelps case on the time/place/manner restrictions, and whether someone at a funeral is a “Captive Audience.” The second is what will likely land this when in front of the Supremes again, but let’s look at the first.
Everyone will likely remember the Snyder v. Phelps case, as I covered it extensively. That case pitted a Gold Star Marine Dad against the WBC. Unfortunately, we lost that case, much as I had expected after hearing the oral arguments. However, one bright side of an otherwise dreary day was that the questions from the Justices led me to believe that the Time/Place/Manner restrictions that were popping up seemed to be on solid legal ground with the High Court. Unfortunately, that issue wasn’t before them. However, in that case, the court did say:
"Even protected speech is not equally permissible in all places and at all times." [Frisby, 487 U.S. at 479] (quoting Cornelius v. NAACP Legal Defense & Ed. Fund, Inc., 473 U.S. 788, 799 (1985)). Westboro's choice of where and when to conduct its picketing is not beyond the Government's regulatory reach–it is "subject to reasonable time, place, or manner restrictions" that are consistent with the standards announced in this Court's precedents. Clark v. Community for Creative Non-Violence, 468 U.S. 288, 293 (1984). Maryland now has a law imposing restrictions on funeral picketing, Md. Crim. Law Code Ann. § 10-205, as do 43 other States and the Federal Government. . . . To the extent these laws are content neutral [which is the case in Nebraska], they raise very different questions from the tort verdict at issue in this case. Maryland's law [which now prohibits picketing within 100 feet of a funeral service], however, was not in effect at the time of the events at issue here, so we have no occasion to consider how it might apply to facts such as those before us, or whether it or other similar regulations are constitutional.
Anyway, the other issue in this case is whether folks who go to church for a memorial or funeral are a “captive audience” which grants them a sort of heightened protection. For instance, one has a right to privacy when one is at one’s residence. The Court in Frisby stated that:
One important aspect of residential privacy is protection of the unwilling listener. Although in many locations, we expect individuals simply to avoid speech they do not want to hear, the home is different. "That we are often 'captives' outside the sanctuary of the home and subject to objectionable speech . . . does not mean we must be captives everywhere." Instead, a special benefit of the privacy all citizens enjoy within their own walls, which the State may legislate to protect, is an ability to avoid intrusions. Thus, we have repeatedly held that individuals are not required to welcome unwanted speech into their own homes and that the government may protect this freedom.
Two other cases expanded this concept to women who sought medical attention at abortion clinics. (From Phelps Roper v. Strickland):
In Hill, the Supreme Court upheld a restriction on protests near abortion clinics. The statute at issue prohibited the unwanted approach within eight feet of another person outside an abortion clinic “for the purpose of engaging in oral protest, education, or counseling.” The Court held that the statute served the “significant and legitimate” governmental interests of providing “unimpeded access to health care facilities and the avoidance of potential trauma to patients associated with confrontational protests.” The Court noted that individuals who enter a health care facility, for whatever reason, “are often in particularly vulnerable physical and emotional*364 conditions.” They “may be under special physical or emotional stress,” and could “potential[ly] [suffer] physical and emotional harm [ ] when an unwelcome individual delivers a message (whatever its content) by physically approaching ... at close range.”
Further,
Hill also relied on Madsen, an earlier case that also addressed the First Amendment rights of abortion protesters outside a medical facility. In Madsen, the Court held that the following interests were sufficient to justify an appropriately tailored injunction to protect them: (1) the “interest in protecting a woman's freedom to seek lawful medical or counseling services in connection with her pregnancy;” (2) the “interest in ensuring the public safety and order, in promoting the free flow of traffic on public streets and sidewalks, and in protecting the property rights of all its citizens;” and (3) the “interest in residential privacy ... applied by analogy to medical privacy.”
So, we know that one has a privacy right at home, and one also has a privacy right when seeking medical attention, because such individuals “may be under special physical or emotional stress.” What makes this important is that the Sixth Circuit extended the right to privacy to a case that had the EXACT SAME factual background as this one, while here the Eighth Circuit did not. This sets up a split of authority in the Circuits, something that could potentially land this case in the Supreme Court.
One other part of this case (the one we lost) should be noted, and it is from the concurring opinion of Judge Beam:
The Nixon opinion refused to recognize a state's significant and legitimate interest in protecting mourners at funerals from unwanted speech, limiting its scrutiny to communications directed only toward a residential target. My concern, however, focuses upon the failure of the Nixon court to place within its balancing equation at least two additional expressly stated constitutional interests other than the free "speech" mandate enumerated in the First Amendment, that is "free exercise [of religion]" and the "right of . . . peaceabl[e] . . . assembl[y]." U.S. Const., amend. I, cl. 1, 3.
SO WHAT NOW?
Well, The American Legion is hoping that the Nebraska Attorney General, Jon Bruning is going to appeal the decision, at the least with an eye towards getting the court to take a second look at the underlying Nixon decision. Not only does this case differ from a sister-Circuit, but it implicates one Constitutional Right (freedom of speech) against three others (free exercise of religion, right of peaceable assembly, and the “penumbra” right of privacy.)
This one is going to have to be decided sooner or later at the highest court, or there will exist confusion and irreconcilability of laws based on what state one resides in. And that creates even more problems.
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Zaubern13 (not verified)
November 1, 2011 - 10:31am
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Our Reaction
To me it now time for us to pick up the banners and signs and head out to their church and protest their church and their beliefs, and the GOD they worship, which is different than any other. Yes, I agree they do have freedom of speech that is why I served in the military, but so do we and we should excise that freedom now.
I'm sure they do not share the same bible as me and my family, because ours does not cover anything like this.
Ann (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 6:51pm
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WBC
I wish these peopleHAD to spend at least3 years in military. I was in the VFW Honor Guard for a while, and now matter how far away they were,they were still to close to the grieving families.
Jason (not verified)
November 1, 2011 - 4:34pm
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Oh the bible includes all of
Oh the bible includes all of it, they just like to amplify their own twisted mid-evil morality from literal context of the stories. As an Atheist, even I can see they are just trolls of the Christian faith. The Christians I know and love take the bible for it's moral teachings, not it's mid-evil literal-ism, or fundamentalism, or whatever you call it. it's unfortunately everywhere in this country.
LTK (not verified)
November 1, 2011 - 6:21pm
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Westboro Wins another round
Agreed that Westboro cult has the freedom of speech. However, they need to excise their right responsibly. They need to respect others' rights, and have the moral value not to inflict emotional and physical harm to others. Regardless of religion or traditional believes, a funeral event is off limits. It is a sacret event that every single human beings should be entitled to grieve w/o any interference.
The Westboro cult is no different than the Islamic believes. They embrace violent, and hate against others who do not shared their twisted values.
Ergates (not verified)
November 2, 2011 - 4:46am
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Westboro
I would be honoured if my funeral was picketed by Westboro-my family could then be certain that my life had stood for everything they hate (and as an atheist and unmarried father I'm sure I'm already on their list). Its a testament to all that's good about the US that they can do what they do.
Edmond Nadeau (not verified)
November 2, 2011 - 6:58pm
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I agree whole Heartedly with
I agree whole Heartedly with LTK, As a retired Armt SSG i think that any funeral, Military or otherwise is " OFF LIMITS ". I didn't serve 24 years and almost die in Iraq for someone to stand at my grave and protest what I believe in.
Larry Kingera (not verified)
November 3, 2011 - 5:55pm
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Westboro
I think it's time to hit this cult where it hurts, in the pocketbook. I'm suprised this hasn't been done already. While everybody enjoys freedom of speech, there are already laws on the books about hate speech. WBC is, most certainly, partaking in hate speech, which is not protected under the US Constitution. Multiple lawsuits need to be filed in multiple states simultaneously on behalf of the families that have suffered extreme emotional distress at the hands of WBC and their hate speech. These lawsuits need to seek millions in damages in each and every case. In the mean time, there has to be a way to shield the grieving families from view of this cult and their hate speech. Possibly fellow vets holding a series of sheets or something that can be held high enough to block the view of the berieved, protecting them from the hateful signs of WBC. The sheets should probably also have a message of "Rest in Peace" or something similar on them so that they can be considered "signs" as well. I doubt there is a statute that would prohibit 'bigger signs' than the WBC are carrying. JMHO
Mike Graves (not verified)
November 3, 2011 - 9:19pm
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I wonder who financially
I wonder who financially backs this small group of whackoos......This entire movement consists of a small group who has figured a scam to get the funds by hoping someone "violates" their right to protest. Answer?? Please contact Patriot Guard..............that is how to outdo them.
Robert Giesler (not verified)
November 4, 2011 - 12:22am
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So Bitter Sweet and a crying shame
First off, there is nothing more false then the term "Free Speech"! How many have given their life for this right and all of the other freedoms we exercise everyday. I wonder if any of the protesters that protest at military funerals, hold signs displaying-"Thank God for IED's or "...for 9/11 have fought for these rights. Our constitution is great - but it needs definition to uphold our freedoms with high standards by eliminating the everso rediculous protest, language, and anti-american stance that are against everything we fight for! It's sooo stupid to allow this. Active Duty Military personnel CANNOT do any of these things - furthermore, their freedoms are replaced with "Code of Military Justice". Most constitutional rights are given up the day they are sworn in to "protect you, me, our country, our way of life"! It's strange that the idiots protest in a country where it appears they love American's but can't stand America! Reverse the Nixon decision and get on to winning everything against the Westboro Baptish church who is the mainstream of creating such a stupid mess that hurts too many people!
jarhead4life (not verified)
November 7, 2011 - 9:27am
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what about life liberty and
what about life liberty and the pursuit of happyness they are clearly screwing with they will find a town that will not abide with them in the in your face tactics they now use my hometown for example the veterans and public will not hold to fall veterans being harrassed to the grave laws be damned
Max Register (not verified)
November 9, 2011 - 2:36pm
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I would not mind at all if
I would not mind at all if someone showed up for one of their "protests" and lobbed a grenade or two into the center of their mass. That would certainly give the rest of us a chance to protest at one of their funerals for a change!
Paul "Tweek" Tw... (not verified)
November 14, 2011 - 1:05am
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Kudos to Ergates
"I would be honoured if my funeral was picketed by Westboro-my family could then be certain that my life had stood for everything they hate (and as an atheist and unmarried father I'm sure I'm already on their list). Its a testament to all that's good about the US that they can do what they do."
Well said sir. I is indeed a testament to all that's good about the US. There are so many countries in the world where there is absolutely no freedom of descent, period. I am proud to live in a country where the freedom to protest is so well protected. That being said, I do not think that Westburo has the right to mess with the emotional/mental health of those who have been compromised by recent tragedy.
Darrin Todd (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 4:04pm
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How long will it be before
How long will it be before the courts extend the freedom of speech to those who want to yell 'fire' in a crowded theatre.
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