Law Professor: "Shameful to support men and women who have gone overseas to kill other human beings."
Whenever people ask me why I initially quit law school to volunteer to go to Afghanistan as an Infantryman, I only half-jokingly tell them I preferred sleeping on the ground and looking for the Taliban to being around the pretentious jackasses one finds at law schools from time to time. When I got back, the first article I read in the Law School newsletter was about how the first year of law school is the hardest year anyone could ever have, Well sure, except almost every year that our men and women spend in the military. In law school you generally get fed fairly regularly, don't get shot at, and don't have to pull radio guard at 2 a,m, This isn't exactly a newsflash, but there is nothing inherently difficult about attending classes and reading books. I'm not saying that to degrade higher education, but comparing it to dodging 7.62 rounds is a bit....hyperbolic.
And then along comes someone who proves my point with far more alacrity than I could muster on my own. Everyone, meet Professor Michael Avery:
The email may have been brief, but with it Suffolk Law Professor Michael Avery seems to have poured salt into the wounds of quite a few Americans, including some students at his own school.
In the five-paragraph e-mail to colleagues in response to a school-wide appeal for care packages for deployed soldiers, Avery calls the notion of sending packages “shameful”.
"I think it is shameful that it is perceived as legitimate to solicit in an academic institution for support for men and women who have gone overseas to kill other human beings" wrote Avery.
Local professor: Collecting care packages for troops is 'shameful': MyFoxBOSTON.com
For some more on this guy, you can go to the "Above the Law" blog where the writer just skewers this clown.
Somewhat ironically, the very first person to wish me a Happy Veterans Day was a buddy of mine who just happens to be a Suffolk Law Graduate. The school is going with the old stand-by of "he has a right to say what he wants."
In the long history of Suffolk University, we have embraced discourse within the framework of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. We encourage free discussion; yet remain uncompromising in confronting acts of discrimination. As Suffolk's history shows, all of this can be done while supporting our mission to provide access to excellence in education to those who deserve it, not the least of whom are active duty military personnel and returning veterans, who by their brave acts have honored each of us and our nation.
Indubitably true. He also has the right to pee on an electric fence or inhale Clorox, but it doesn't make it either sensible or reflect well on the schook.
The whole thing did segue nicely with an article in the Washington Post this morning though:
The troops are lavished with praise for their sacrifices. But the praise comes with a price, service members say. The public increasingly acts as if it feels sorry for those in uniform.
“We aren’t victims at all,” said Brig. Gen. Sean B. MacFarland, who commanded troops in Iraq and will soon leave for Afghanistan. “But it seems that the only way that some can be supportive is to cast us in the role of hapless souls.”
The topic is a sensitive one for military leaders, who do not want to appear ungrateful or at odds with the public they serve. They also realize that the anger that returning troops faced in the latter years of the Vietnam War was far worse.
As a result, most of the conversations about pity take place quietly and privately among combat veterans. After his two sons returned from combat tours with the Marines, retired Col. Mark Cancian warned them that people outside the military would view their service from two perspectives.
All things being equal, if I had to chose between being back in law school, being pitied for my service in the military, or serving as an infantryman again, the choice would be easy, and I would be singing this diddy tomorrow as the sun set:
Up in the morning out of the rack
Greeted at dawn with an early attack
First Sergeant Rushes me off to chow
But I don’t eat it any how
Oh hail Oh Hail oh Infantry
Queen of Battle follow me
An airborne ranger’s life for me
Cause nothing in this world is free
Pick up your rifle and follow me.
In a big bird up in the sky,
all will jump and some will die
Off to battle we will go,
to live or die, hell I don’t know
Oh hail oh hail oh infantry
Queen of battle follow me
I look to the sky I have no fear,
My Ranger God is always near.
Oh hail Oh hail oh infantry
Queen of battle follow me
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Jim Ennis (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:09pm
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Freedom
And who does the "learned" or (un) professor think provides him with the freedom he has to so freely express his opinions? I wonder how he would be treated in some less "free" countries round the world.
Red Neck (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:11pm
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Professor Jakass
This wimp needs 4 hours of PT ...standing on his head in 10 feet of cold water
sig arnesen (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:11pm
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"Shameful"
The professor has a point. At this stage in the history of humankind it would be constructive to pause and ask is this how we should relate to one another? We have been quick to engage in warfare. It is time to go another way.
Allen A. Walker (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:13pm
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shameful lawyer
It is unlawful to shout fire in a crowded movie theater. It is ill advised to represent yourself in a court of law. To spit in the face of those men and women that fight and die to preserve your right to be wrong, is irreverent,ungrateful and naive to say the least.
Charles Bowen (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:13pm
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This is a person of higher
This is a person of higher education? It seems that he has taken his life, education, safety and freedom for granted... Without those who believe there is something bigger than ourselves proudly serve to keep freedom free even with ungreatful american citizens like this one...
He is not worth talking about or even giving him the spotlight, he should be ignored by all and those law students should boycott his classes...
Charles Bowen (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:13pm
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This is a person of higher
This is a person of higher education? It seems that he has taken his life, education, safety and freedom for granted... Without those who believe there is something bigger than ourselves proudly serve to keep freedom free even with ungreatful american citizens like this one...
He is not worth talking about or even giving him the spotlight, he should be ignored by all and those law students should boycott his classes...
Rick Phinney (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:14pm
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Law professor
Perhaps someone should sit down with this moron and explain to him that if it weren't for these "killers of the human race" he would likely as not be teaching Sharia law. What a complete idiot and he should be fired or, sent off to some country to observe the "killers" in action. I would be willing to bet he never has served.
chuck morgan (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:15pm
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nutty professor
I agree with all brother vets above. as for bob howland jr. AMEM BROTHER!!!
Ralph Martin (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:16pm
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Law Professor's comments
Its a shame that a man who gained his right to free speech from those who went to war is so quick to criticize those who are doing the same for others. I also have the right to free speech and that is to tell him "you are a complete jerk".
Captain David W... (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:17pm
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Professor Avery
I applaud Professor Avery for speaking his mind. I spent two tours of duty in Vietnam and flew border patrol on the Korean DMZ and the Tri-Zonal border in Germany, just so he would have the right to speak his mind without fear of any repurcussion.
Mr. Avery is an embarrassment to the American public. I place him in the same class as our purportedly "Commander in Chief" who apologizes to the Muslim world for our actions. They both should be charged with Treason and tried for their statements.
Larry L (not verified)
November 18, 2011 - 9:46am
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Professor Avery
I feel the shame is someone like him who is living off the public dole is sounding off against thosew who are defending the rights he doen't have he guts to do.
Charles Lyons (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:18pm
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Law professor
We should be told more about this lad's background as he basks in his fifteen minutes of fame. I suspect that he is (a) against waterboarding (b) for the Occupy folks and (c) an Obama supporter.
As a graduate of Sufflok Law School and as a former Marine, I am grateful that I do not share his points of view.
Lawrence A Kimmel (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:20pm
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Law Professor's "RIGHTS"
Yes, he does have the right to speak his mind. My question is _"
Does he have the right to TEACH OR IMPOSE his views on others. To often our educators are extremely liberal and teah our young people from their view poin accepting little opposition. This Professor does not seem to be able to see both sides of an issue. "SHAMEFUL" Any war is shameful, but the professor sees only one side of that issue . I would not like to be a defendant in a "self-defense" case in a court-room with him as a defense attorney. He could not see both sides of the issue, and with that in mind should give up teaching and any practice of law.
John Williams (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:20pm
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"Shameful" Law Professor
Gee, I guess we should send this Professor Michael Avery to Afghanistan, with his Law Books and anti-military attitude and prejudice, to engineer a proper peace with the Taliban and other terrorists. Of course he would go without any protections whatsoever. Might give him a stack of Bibles to distribute to the terrorists as he should convert the terrorists to Christianity as their Muslim religion encourages killing of all infidels, including all non-Muslims throughout the world.
John Williams (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:20pm
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"Shameful" Law Professor
Gee, I guess we should send this Professor Michael Avery to Afghanistan, with his Law Books and anti-military attitude and prejudice, to engineer a proper peace with the Taliban and other terrorists. Of course he would go without any protections whatsoever. Might give him a stack of Bibles to distribute to the terrorists as he should convert the terrorists to Christianity as their Muslim religion encourages killing of all infidels, including all non-Muslims throughout the world.
John Williams (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:20pm
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"Shameful" Law Professor
Gee, I guess we should send this Professor Michael Avery to Afghanistan, with his Law Books and anti-military attitude and prejudice, to engineer a proper peace with the Taliban and other terrorists. Of course he would go without any protections whatsoever. Might give him a stack of Bibles to distribute to the terrorists as he should convert the terrorists to Christianity as their Muslim religion encourages killing of all infidels, including all non-Muslims throughout the world.
Joe Stacy (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:20pm
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I know we fight to protect
I know we fight to protect our freedom. But sometimes we wish that some people were not on our list to protect.
Dwight Goree (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:21pm
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"Shameful to support men and women who have gone overseas to ki
Let this ungrateful wretch go to Afghanistan. See how much freedom of speech he has there. I agree with all the previos comments.
Glenn Summers (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:21pm
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Doofus Law Professor
I'd volunteer to insert him in an area full of hostiles and let him counsel them in the error of their ways. I mean, after he all ha has the right of Free Speech, so let him exercise it in a Taliban camp. Come back in a couple of weeks and see if he has converted any of their thought process. That assumes he would still be alive and not have been the main course for some of these RagHeads!
Gene Tinsley (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 9:31pm
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Free Speech
He has the right to free speech, however the school should have the right to fire him because he doesn't fit in with their agenda.
Glenn Summers (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:21pm
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Doofus Law Professor
I'd volunteer to insert him in an area full of hostiles and let him counsel them in the error of their ways. I mean, after he all ha has the right of Free Speech, so let him exercise it in a Taliban camp. Come back in a couple of weeks and see if he has converted any of their thought process. That assumes he would still be alive and not have been the main course for some of these RagHeads!
gregory chervenak (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:24pm
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must be a online professor
must be a online professor because surely someone as stupid as this guy isnt employed by a university
TONY HOROWITZ (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:25pm
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SUFFOLK LAW PROF
This bozo has apparently been in too many games without a helmet. Who does he think won the freedoms and rights that he enjoys? We are in the land of the free because of the brave. It's a shame that he's in a position to mold future lawyers and law makers.
Tony Horowitz, U.S. Army, 1968-1971
Esquire (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:25pm
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Law Professor
This law professor needs a certain part of his Corpus Delicti kicked.
Charles DeVine (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:27pm
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It would be nice to miss just
It would be nice to miss just one 'kill shot' knowing the intended target would live long enough to get to Suffolk Law Professor Michael Avery.
Did I miss any punctuation professor?
Paul McIntosh (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:27pm
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Law Professor Comment
I just sent him an email at mavery@suffolk.edu. Lets bury his inbox!
Michael (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 5:15pm
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Good Idea
That is a great idea but this type of Dill Wad will find a way to take you to court and some liberal dill wad judge will allow him to sue you.
Bob Powell (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:27pm
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Shameful Waste of a Human Being
This idiot is of the same mold during Vietnam. When I got back in 1969, Staten Island College had a display in the library that had replicas of US Soldiers with the caption "Baby Killers". Avery should be lucky he's not speaking German or Japanese after our soldiers "killed fellow human beings" in WWII. Glad this Liberal twit isn't sitting on a bench rewriting laws.
Paul McIntosh (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:30pm
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Profwssor Comment
I just sent him an email at mavery@suffolk.edu. Let's bury his inbox
George E LeFebvre (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:30pm
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Idiotic professor
This professor is just one of the many things wrong in our Colleges today. His type of logic is as sick as one can be. Frankly, there are far too many so called Liberal Professors teaching our younger generation absolutely nothing but how to destroy our free society and are really basically the Enemy within. It would be nice if our troops didn't have to go abroad to help defend our freedoms but without them, we would be nothing like this Professor is.
Mike Swadener (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:30pm
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Our military is not "over
Our military is not "over there" to kill people. Killing is incidental to the mission of protecting others. Asimov said, "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Yes, war is violence, and, since we seem incompetent to convince certain people to stop hating and killing other people, war is the right choice. Consider this: at least the professor doesn't HAVE to speak German if he doesn't want to.
Professor (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:31pm
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Shameful comment
My peer is obviously not a veteran and does not have a clue about what is good, right and honorable. I thought this sentiment died along with hating those of us who served during Vietnam.
Richard (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:34pm
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Egotist
This clown is just another egotistical narcissist who likes to hear himself whine.
Reminds me of the nutty Preacher down here in Florida that was going to make a big deal
out of burning a copy of the Koran. HE just wants the attention.
Thank goodness he is not a member of any unit in Iraq or Afghanistan. He is the one
troop you could not trust. The one who will go to sleep and snore when on an ambush.
BK Gilbert (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:35pm
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To the head-up-his-a** professor
If you don't feel like standing behind our troops, please feel free to stand in front of them.
Anither Seabee ... (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:37pm
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Intestinal Fortitude
I suppose it would be stupid to ask if this professor Avery has ever had the guts to put his life on the line for his fellow Americans.
Anither Seabee ... (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:37pm
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Intestinal Fortitude
I suppose it would be stupid to ask if this professor Avery has ever had the guts to put his life on the line for his fellow Americans.
Anither Seabee ... (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:37pm
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Intestinal Fortitude
I suppose it would be stupid to ask if this professor Avery has ever had the guts to put his life on the line for his fellow Americans.
Anither Seabee ... (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:37pm
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Intestinal Fortitude
I suppose it would be stupid to ask if this professor Avery has ever had the guts to put his life on the line for his fellow Americans.
Maurice Simon Cahn (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:39pm
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Peace
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None of these essential jobs are now being provided by any of the present weather people. Much of their work consists of “storm chasing” which will not give solutions. The cause of all weather as shown in Chapter 9 of Volume 2 of The Feynman Lectures On Physics is caused by the voltage between the ground and the top of the atmosphere. This voltage has been determined by measurement to peak at 1800 GMT every day. Time Magazine of Feb 2, 1968 reports that Northrop workers demonstrated fluid flow can be modified with electrical voltages.
When at least 250,000 people are assigned to the weather, all returning veterans plus many more will be employed and world weather control will soon be available. This will result in the saving of many $billions in yearly weather damage.
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Anither Seabee ... (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:39pm
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Intestinal Fortitude
I suppose it would be stupid to ask if this professor Avery has ever had the guts to put his life on the line for his fellow Americans.
Bob Hawley (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:40pm
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Law Professor
Mr. Howland asked for an amen, hear it is, "AMEN". What a jerk the professor is, I like the idea of sending him to a taliban camp and "talk" his way out of there. That's not going to happen, because that would endanger him. Maybe the poor soul needs his own care package. Another 'educator' with his head in the sand.
namvet usmc (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:44pm
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this guy was obviously abused
this guy was obviously abused by his mother,and is presently being abused by his wife,and probably wears her panties too! Just an opinion.
namvet usmc (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:44pm
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this guy was obviously abused
this guy was obviously abused by his mother,and is presently being abused by his wife,and probably wears her panties too! Just an opinion.
Anonymous (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:45pm
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scum
scum
Sebastian Amatore (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:46pm
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Law Professor
Normally when someone say some very stupid thing, it is because they want attention or hope to become famous for be abnormal
Russell Lucas (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:48pm
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law prof. michael avery
just another jackass proving that he is a enormous idiot that doesn't know the cost of his freedom, which is buried in the ground. He is lucky to be in the USA.
Joel Ruths (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:48pm
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Move on Professor
"I think it is shameful that it is perceived as legitimate to solicit in an academic institution for support for men and women who have gone overseas to kill other human beings" wrote Avery.
Well, Professor Avery, I think it is shameful that our sons and daughters who have chosen to serve our country honorably have to risk their lives to protect the life of someone like you! If you don't respect the sacrifices made by the countless number of American service people who have given the ultimate, then I strongly suggest you move your sorry carcass to another country of your choice because you sir do not deserve to benefit from the efforts of so many honorable Americans. YOU ARE DISGUSTING!
marshall mick (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:50pm
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man what an idiot, he needs
man what an idiot, he needs to be fired, what the hell kind of school would let a maggot like this educate our young people, get him a ticket to afghan, and he can play with the rag heads in the sand box, lol lol lol.
Ron Lewis (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:53pm
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stupid people
I am willing to bet that this idiot has never left the safty of his law school, he may be a high and mighty law proffesor, but I would like to know how he can avoid the fact that these people who he is maligning, are the very reason why he is free to make such stupid statements.
J Cothren (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:54pm
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My belief is, since he has
My belief is, since he has clearly never served our country, he should not have an opinion on the matter...
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