Law Professor: "Shameful to support men and women who have gone overseas to kill other human beings."
Whenever people ask me why I initially quit law school to volunteer to go to Afghanistan as an Infantryman, I only half-jokingly tell them I preferred sleeping on the ground and looking for the Taliban to being around the pretentious jackasses one finds at law schools from time to time. When I got back, the first article I read in the Law School newsletter was about how the first year of law school is the hardest year anyone could ever have, Well sure, except almost every year that our men and women spend in the military. In law school you generally get fed fairly regularly, don't get shot at, and don't have to pull radio guard at 2 a,m, This isn't exactly a newsflash, but there is nothing inherently difficult about attending classes and reading books. I'm not saying that to degrade higher education, but comparing it to dodging 7.62 rounds is a bit....hyperbolic.
And then along comes someone who proves my point with far more alacrity than I could muster on my own. Everyone, meet Professor Michael Avery:
The email may have been brief, but with it Suffolk Law Professor Michael Avery seems to have poured salt into the wounds of quite a few Americans, including some students at his own school.
In the five-paragraph e-mail to colleagues in response to a school-wide appeal for care packages for deployed soldiers, Avery calls the notion of sending packages “shameful”.
"I think it is shameful that it is perceived as legitimate to solicit in an academic institution for support for men and women who have gone overseas to kill other human beings" wrote Avery.
Local professor: Collecting care packages for troops is 'shameful': MyFoxBOSTON.com
For some more on this guy, you can go to the "Above the Law" blog where the writer just skewers this clown.
Somewhat ironically, the very first person to wish me a Happy Veterans Day was a buddy of mine who just happens to be a Suffolk Law Graduate. The school is going with the old stand-by of "he has a right to say what he wants."
In the long history of Suffolk University, we have embraced discourse within the framework of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. We encourage free discussion; yet remain uncompromising in confronting acts of discrimination. As Suffolk's history shows, all of this can be done while supporting our mission to provide access to excellence in education to those who deserve it, not the least of whom are active duty military personnel and returning veterans, who by their brave acts have honored each of us and our nation.
Indubitably true. He also has the right to pee on an electric fence or inhale Clorox, but it doesn't make it either sensible or reflect well on the schook.
The whole thing did segue nicely with an article in the Washington Post this morning though:
The troops are lavished with praise for their sacrifices. But the praise comes with a price, service members say. The public increasingly acts as if it feels sorry for those in uniform.
“We aren’t victims at all,” said Brig. Gen. Sean B. MacFarland, who commanded troops in Iraq and will soon leave for Afghanistan. “But it seems that the only way that some can be supportive is to cast us in the role of hapless souls.”
The topic is a sensitive one for military leaders, who do not want to appear ungrateful or at odds with the public they serve. They also realize that the anger that returning troops faced in the latter years of the Vietnam War was far worse.
As a result, most of the conversations about pity take place quietly and privately among combat veterans. After his two sons returned from combat tours with the Marines, retired Col. Mark Cancian warned them that people outside the military would view their service from two perspectives.
All things being equal, if I had to chose between being back in law school, being pitied for my service in the military, or serving as an infantryman again, the choice would be easy, and I would be singing this diddy tomorrow as the sun set:
Up in the morning out of the rack
Greeted at dawn with an early attack
First Sergeant Rushes me off to chow
But I don’t eat it any how
Oh hail Oh Hail oh Infantry
Queen of Battle follow me
An airborne ranger’s life for me
Cause nothing in this world is free
Pick up your rifle and follow me.
In a big bird up in the sky,
all will jump and some will die
Off to battle we will go,
to live or die, hell I don’t know
Oh hail oh hail oh infantry
Queen of battle follow me
I look to the sky I have no fear,
My Ranger God is always near.
Oh hail Oh hail oh infantry
Queen of battle follow me
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Comments
Chuck Curry (not verified)
November 15, 2011 - 1:08pm
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Michael Avery
My opinion is that this man has a severe case of Cranial Rectal Inversion. Pull your head out of your rectum professor. You have now shown everyone in this country what a worthless, ungrateful maggot you are. Why don't you move to another country?
RA 18690614 (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 4:01pm
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move to another country
Dear Chuck,
Excuse me, but that law professor is just giving his opinion, a right he has for which I fought AND bled to defend. ...and I did it when the whole country wasn't exactly with you, most felt just like that law professor feels - that was PC stand. ...but of course they were a bunch of atheist, just like now. ...and we servicemen were/are supported by good Christian. I am now a civilian, but even as a fighting man (but I was a non-combatant - did get shot at) even when proud that I was serving my country, I did not like that young men were being killed b y politicos for politicos agenda. I support the troops 100% - lets bring them home alive, soon - ASAP. Please do not kill or maim anymore young men. Do you know how many guys from my day that I run into at the Vet Clinics??!! I knew these guys - some would have been gang bangers, many ARE motor cycle gangs, and I aint just right either.
Please let the man talk - and you should listen. Killing people is not right, and getting people killed is worst, and killing people is not good for YOU!
RA18690614
ps Don't you be asking me to leave the country, my father and mother's people have been here since the 1600s! Vn, missed Korea, WWII, WWI, Sp.Am. War, i812 and the Am. Rev. - even a war where the Brits took NEng militia to fight French in W. Indies - colonial times.
Dr. Roy Acryin (not verified)
November 21, 2011 - 12:55am
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Military Necessity
You are forgetting 9/11 , which was just the largest attack against America since radical Islam started a war against America in 1979. America can not just sit back and be attacked time and time again without going after those who are attacking us. With your military service, and the proud history of your family, you should be more realistic as to how the world is. And that professor, while free to speak his mind because others have gone overseas to kill those who would want to kill him and deprive him of free speech, is a piece of liberal pig excrement.
Samantabhadra (not verified)
December 8, 2011 - 2:51am
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PEACE
You speak very wisely. Killing people is not good for you, or for anyone else. Killing certain people to save others does not make any sense and is not something worth defending. I support the troops because they are just trying to make a living. They want to serve their country but are brainwashed into thinking it takes a gun to do that. If you want to serve your country, get a job in social services and actually HELP other people. Killing is wrong, no matter which side you stand on. Listen to the guys who know firsthand. We want PEACE, not war. And truly, enough money is spent on the war, if you want to support troops, give care packages to the VETS here at home!
Armyhoop (not verified)
December 27, 2011 - 9:45am
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Brainwashed is such an ignorant statement when speaking for the thoughts of veterans and military members fighting the war in Iraq. While killing is wrong, nobody on earth wants peace more than military members put in harms way. Everyone has the misconception that all we are over there to do is kill but you are brainwashed by the media because they show you only a small part of what the military did. The military helped irrigate fields for farmers in poor villages, help build orphanages, provide electricity to some who never had it, not to mention medical care to foreign combatants as well as civilians. Do some more research before dismissing the work those military members do before making an ignorant statement like we as military members are brainwashed. VETS at home don't need packages they need to be told that what they did was not a brainwashed idea but to better the world and to be given better healthcare from Washington.
C. Pierce (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 4:12pm
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Law professor
Amen, Mr. Curry.
Bob Jankowski U... (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 4:27pm
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Freedoms_How we obtain them!
All vets serve either by choice or by Draft back in my day and beforehand.
Donating gives people a chance to support those who try to help defend us or our friendly neighbors around this small planet from evils. Saying schools or anyone should've not helped is downright against the principles our country was founded upon!
You may have rights here, but I would like to see you try that in many places that will shorten your life span for so doing!
"Wisdom is Knowledge of the World to create Ideas to make this a better home!" (Bob Jankowski-2008)
Semper FI!
Howard (not verified)
November 18, 2011 - 9:30am
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Semper FI to that other Jar
Semper FI to that other Jar head that made the other comment OLD Marine
Don Baer (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 6:49pm
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Thanks Chuck
I agree, that as an American, we have first amendment rights, but that right does not mean that some of the things said are just plain stupid. As a Vietnam vet, coming home in 1969, that kind of crap is all we heard. My son is an Army medic in Afghanastan, and he will be coming home soon. I hope, and am sure that he will NOT be greeted by such lunatics.
Tim (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 8:15pm
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100% Curry
I realize that this NTAClown has the right to say whatever he wants. This is one of the Rights we of the US Armed Forces fought, bled, and died to protect. Having said that, I think we should take up a collection to fly this idiot to a country that does NOT have Freedom of Speech! Let them do the dirty work because after all we of the military are just supposed to hand roses to our enemy.
Tim (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 8:32pm
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Avery
Take a look at this clown's academic credentials: Michael Avery, Professor of Law, BA, LLB, Yale University; attended University of Moscow, U.S.S.R. 1968-1969.
Too bad he didn't try to exercise any freedom of speech in 1968-1969.....I think he'd still be in Siberia now! BTW, here is his school email if you want to share your thoughts with him: mavery@suffolk.edu .
Richard (not verified)
November 19, 2011 - 2:19pm
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Wagner
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!
Wheelman (not verified)
November 18, 2011 - 9:31am
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Professor
We have fought, bled & died for the The United States of America abd most importantly The Constitution. The incredible foresight our Founding Fathers had in crafting such a masterpiece is in no less words God inspired.
Unfortunately, our service to OUR country doesn't allow us to pick & choose whom we can defend. We can all be thankful for that, but that is the job.
I 100% disagree with this misguided soul. He would be the 1st one to go AWOL if he had to face what some of us had to. I would love to see some of these educational "elite" stand a post. Or lose some of those freedoms for a day that we & others have allowed them to enjoy. Would their perspective change then?
I honor all of you who have served & are serving today. God spped & come home safe.
Bluejacket9 (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 8:25pm
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Stuoid is as stupid does!
As a Navy vet of 32 years, and a fist generation son of a Polish legal immigrant, I find it very anti-American for a member of our so called educated society to express his opinions and attempt to distort our values to our children. His opinions are not based on experience or instilled family values, or a study of history in the fight for freedom in our Country.
I find it difficult to restrain myself from being vulger an calling him names which would adequately describe my feelings for his blind ignorance. I caution anyone who sends their children to a public university without being forewarned of the utter liberal garbage being sold off as an education. Your most effective tool is your vote! Research the candidates for regents and administrators at your universities. Vote in conservatives. Monitor the curriculum of your children and discuss what they are being taught. Some of the liberal crap they spew is attrocious and the students should be aware of this. This guy should thank his lucky stars that my kids are not in his class, or I would have to have a heart to heart with him that might endanger his mental status, and teach him a few words he might have never heard before. God bless America
John Y (not verified)
November 18, 2011 - 2:02am
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In answer to your question,
In answer to your question, he wouldn't move to another country because his dribble either wouldn't be tolerated or would simply be ignored.
Ricks H (not verified)
December 6, 2011 - 11:09am
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WRONG!
A correction to your comment about going to another country where his dribble would be ignored. Trust me....his dribble would NOT be ignored!! AND, his dribble, along with him, would be silenced ASAP!
steve howard (not verified)
November 18, 2011 - 8:01am
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just because!!!!
chuck that was good!!!! but the so called pro collage gay!!! has his own stupid reason!!!forwonting to be in the public eye!!! opps wrong end!!! we can talk about him who realy cares what this one a.. wipe has to say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Howard (not verified)
November 18, 2011 - 9:20am
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Marine 50 vintage
Screw you professor Hide behind your books and cry like a baby when some forign power comes for you. We need law we need profesors we need Marines , BUT WE DON"T NEED YOU
Bob Howland Jr (not verified)
November 15, 2011 - 2:42pm
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Professor Humanist
Just a thought! Where else could he have an opinion such as this, declare it openly and get away with it. We, the shameful, fought and killed other HUMANS?, so you can have optical rectomania in publc and get away with it with no repercussion, except verbally, from we the shameful. Do I hear an AMEN?
M. Kevin Howland (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:44pm
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Amen Bob.
Amen Bob.
Janice (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:45pm
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Amen
AMEN !!!!
dagodave (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 4:07pm
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stupidity
We should drop him off in Iraq or afganistan or where ever there is muslim hamas-and lethim eplain how he was brought there to say he he is avictim like they area! And then they would hand him his own head on a platter>
C6Ron (not verified)
November 18, 2011 - 8:16am
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Yes, you have an AMEN!
AMEN, ten times over!!! As a Combat Infantryman, Pointman, Draftee and someone that watched as our Brother died in front of our very eyes and spilled my blood also in a country I had never heard of nor could not point to on a map, I did so proudly! For the life of me I still can not understand how someone with such hatred of our Brave Troops that are giving their life and limbs so that some of esteemed educators can be so heartless!
This is exactly what he IS teaching our very young impressionable children that we pay to earn a higher education by someone that is also teaching how terrible our fighting Men and Women are thought to be, only because of his protection by "Freedom of Speech" is wrong, very, very wrong! What are our children to believe when listening to educators with a thought process like his? If left un-said, this man will turn back the hands of time to when we returned from Vietnam only to have people throwing human waste at us, picking through Hospital Dumpsters for bloody gauze and other contaminated waste just to demean us, make us feel like we are the bad guys!
I was going to say sorry for how I feel about this man (and I use that term loosely about this scum) but I would gladly say this too his face in hope that he would swing at me just so I could smack him upside his deranged head! Well excuse me for thinking this country had changed since we served with Pride and Honor, he WILL teach his students how we are only Baby Killers and murderers to boost his self esteem, make him feel good about saying something he believes but this IS a really sick individual, one that should never be allowed in a classroom to teach our/my children this crap!!! He may be able to "Talk the Talk" but could Never "Walk the Walk", never in a million years could this low life go into combat and fight for his life nor the person aside of him that depends on him for his very life! Ship his Arse back to Russia and see if he can "Talk the Talk" there without being either being shot, or sent to some far off place in that country never to be heard from again! God Bless America.....
1st Cavalry Division,
Infantry, Pointaman and very Proud to have served this once great country!
"Live Free of Die'
"Freedom is not Free"
Anonymous (not verified)
November 20, 2011 - 7:26pm
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This statement shameful"Law Professor: "Shameful to support..."
I can give you a big AMEN to that!!!
Garry Owen (not verified)
November 15, 2011 - 7:20pm
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Law Professor
Let him go over and defend his right to free speech!!!
CarlB (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:07pm
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Law Professor
That will never happen Garry. This bottom feeder enjoys sitting back and collecting his fat paycheck that men & women have died for him to be able to collect. He very much strikes me as the type that would watch his wife or daughter being molested while he enjoys a bag of popcorn.
tfk (not verified)
November 21, 2011 - 4:05pm
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Utter Stupidity
So, the upshot is that he shouldn't be allowed to say these things?
Sammy D (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 5:36pm
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To Gary and others like you
It is not the people in Afghanistan we have to worry about taking away our free speech. It is our own government that works to do that. Our government does not serve us - we serve them, and until that changes there will never be true freedom in this country. Are we really fighting for freedom? Then tell our troops to come home and fight against the corrupt machine we call government. Stop following these self-serving politicians and start dismantling the machine.
J. S. Mill (not verified)
November 16, 2011 - 8:15am
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War is an ugly thing, but not
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded
state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is
much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety,
is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made
and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
Gunny Mac (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 5:59pm
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I was contemplating how to
I was contemplating how to phrase a post when I read your comment. I could not have said it better.
Semper Fi
Proud Viet Vet (not verified)
December 11, 2011 - 10:45am
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Mr. Mill, your comment is Right On!
Sir, my hat is off to you! I never could have written your statement, but it states so eloquently the way I feel! Thank you for saying that. Why do people blame the warrior and not the ones who sent him (or her) off to war? Do they not recognize that we took an oath to obey the orders of those appointed over us? Also, are we not allowed to believe that some things are worth fighting for? God forbid that we reach a point in this nation where we no longer care about the misery of others.
Again, thank you, Mr. Mill.
Daniel Rowe (not verified)
November 16, 2011 - 3:39pm
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Law professor
Perhaps the learned educator would prefer to deal with an aggressor by serving a writ. The law is powerless without the means to compel compliance. The statement, while certainly within the rights of the individual, is a poor commentary on the philosophy imparted to his students.
Jim (not verified)
November 18, 2011 - 3:05am
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Learned educator
Daniel,
Well spoken. No doubt the socialism he experienced in Moscow where he was a suitable candidate screened for such an education reflects now the result of a wasted education. Have another vodka Comrade Avery.
Richard (not verified)
November 19, 2011 - 2:29pm
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Wagner
AND BORSHE
Jeffery Brown (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 12:34pm
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Law Professor
I have a legal question for the law professor. Who gave you the right to say such a thing? Hmmm... Wait a minute, I think I may have just figured this out on my own. Thanks anyway.
BillyBob117 (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 4:31pm
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The Freedoms We Enjoy
Excellent comment----he can also always get a job with the pathetic ACLU---
Bob F. (not verified)
November 18, 2011 - 9:35am
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ACLU = american criminal
ACLU = american criminal liberties union! Alcu is a piece of crap!!
Corey (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 2:53pm
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Law Professor is a theories based, you fill in the blank
It is because of the American Continental Army during the Revolution War that allows people like this professor to speak his mind using, oh what is it that covers this, gee I cant think of how we got the Constituition and the Bill of Rights, OH THE AMERICAN SOLDIER. I guess when you spend too much time in the theories books of Law, and confined to the walls of your classroom and fail to expand your knowledge base, people become closed minded and forget what they are really saying. They want to HAVE ONES CAKE and EAT IT TOO.
This UNIVERSITY SHOULD BE ASHAMED for not putting out an immediate statement condemning this statement.
Oh well, just another peson speaking their mind as we all are able to do...Some should just keep it to themself instead of embarrassing themself and the institution they work for.
Dave Corvino (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 2:55pm
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Professor milktoast
He and people like him are entitled to whatever opinion they have, but don't expect much from our university professors. The liberals have taken over the universities, are well on their way in the courts, and hope to bring down the military as quickly as possible. Then they can live in Utopia....for 5 minutes before some other country comes in and destroys us and takes our resources.
Chuck (not verified)
November 20, 2011 - 7:02pm
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"The liberals are well on their way to taking over the courts"
Do you ever read a newspaper? Do you know anything at all about the Supreme Court in the last ten years? It couldn't possibly be more right wing and corporate-friendly. The professor is wrong, but be informed in your criticism -- when you're not, it weakens your case.
Carol (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 2:56pm
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Typical
He sounds like every other leftist law school professor I had to deal with. His opinion and $5 will get you a latte at Starbucks. If he thinks it's shameful, let him be a professor overseas.
Jay (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 2:58pm
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The Prof
is a di*khead
Tom Ambrecht (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 2:58pm
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response
Has anyone told our troops only do what the president orders and I dont see him protesting Obama.
Shawn (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 2:59pm
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The retard Lawyer
I say buy him a one way ticket to Iraq and let him live there and ban him from ever coming back to America, the land of the Brave or as he calls us, shameful!!
SeabeeVet (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:02pm
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Avery needs to leave his ivory tower...
...and do volunteer work at a VA hospital. Maybe when he sees some of our troops with TBI and lost limbs, caused by Al-Qaeda and their myriad IEDs, he may pause to reflect on his own cowardly arrogance. What personal sacrifices has Avery made for his own country? How does he feel about the Muslim terrorists who came from overseas "to kill other human beings" on 9/11?
Timothy Scott (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:03pm
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Freedom and rights
While outraged at the law professor's opinion, I am also grateful for the freedom of the press and right of those who never served to espouse worthless opinions. Far from denigrating the service of the honorable, comments like the prof's serve to highlight the cost of freedom, in real terms and in tolerance, is not free. I'm fond of saying that my oath to the Constitution was sworn with neither reservation nor expiration. You readers, my comrades-in-arms and spirit, enjoy my unreserved respect. Thanks for having a real job.
legionbuck (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:03pm
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TYPICAL ELITEST SPEWAGE
One more far left spewage from a non hacking civilian that relies on US to make it possible to bad mouth the support of the troops.
Drop this worthless in the middle of a Taliban camp and lets see how long he lasts...bet he doesn't complain if the troops rescue his sorry butt !
But that means somebody would have screwed up and issues a rescue mission ops order....
Timothy Scott (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:05pm
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Freedom and rights
While outraged at the law professor's opinion, I am also grateful for the freedom of the press and right of those who never served to espouse worthless opinions. Far from denigrating the service of the honorable, comments like the prof's serve to highlight the cost of freedom, in real terms and in tolerance, is not free. I'm fond of saying that my oath to the Constitution was sworn with neither reservation nor expiration. You readers, my comrades-in-arms and spirit, enjoy my unreserved respect. Thanks for having a real job.
Jack Moore (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:07pm
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Isn't it wondeful that we
Isn't it wondeful that we live in a country where an idiot like professor Jerk can say something like that. And isn't it wonderful that we have the right to SHOUT HIM DOWN for being such. Keep in mind that some people are just wired differently and that we protected a country where we believe in freedom.
Bravo Company 5th Bn. 60th Inf 9th Inf Division Mekong Delta 68-69.
L HYAK (not verified)
November 17, 2011 - 3:09pm
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UNDESERVED REMARKS
The prof had better put on his pink jammies each night and pray not only to God but give thanks we have the the might to field the force that is the basis of all our freedoms, even the ignorant speech of a pseudo academic.
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