Of Predator Drones and Due Process...

Was the attack that killed Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan justified under US and International Law?
Just to give a basic framework of the discussion, the Palm Beach Post lays it out rather nicely:
The killing of the U.S.-born Al-Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki on Friday along with another U.S. citizen and two other Al-Qaeda operatives in Yemen is likely to fuel the international controversy over the legality and wisdom of the Obama administration's dramatically increased use of drone attacks.
For several years, U.S. allies have made no public comment, even as U.S. drone strikes have killed twice as many suspected Al-Qaeda and Taliban members than were ever imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay. But that acquiescence may change, as human rights groups and the media debate the legality and collateral damage of drone attacks. The U.S. drone program has been highly effective in killing senior Al-Qaeda leaders, but the administration needs to better explain and defend its use of drones to avoid losing international support and potentially exposing administration officials to legal liability
The U.S. position, under the Bush and Obama administrations, has been that drone strikes against Al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders are permitted by the September 2001 Authorization to Use Military Force Act, which empowered the president to use "all necessary and appropriate force" against nations, organizations or persons who planned, committed or aided the Sept. 11 attacks. The United States also believes that drone strikes are permitted under international law and the United Nations Charter as actions in self-defense, with or without the consent of the country where the strike takes place.
It’s perhaps easiest to start with the people who think that it was not justified, which seems to range across the political spectrum, but noticeably more present at the far peripheries. From the far left, it is customary for me to start with Glenn Greenwald of Salon…
What’s most striking about this is not that the U.S. Government has seized and exercised exactly the power the Fifth Amendment was designed to bar (“No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law”), and did so in a way that almost certainly violates core First Amendment protections (questions that will now never be decided in a court of law). What’s most amazing is that its citizens will not merely refrain from objecting, but will stand and cheer the U.S. Government’s new power to assassinate their fellow citizens, far from any battlefield, literally without a shred of due process from the U.S. Government. Many will celebrate the strong, decisive, Tough President’s ability to eradicate the life of Anwar al-Awlaki — including many who just so righteously condemned those Republican audience members as so terribly barbaric and crass for cheering Governor Perry’s execution of scores of serial murderers and rapists: criminals who were at least given a trial and appeals and the other trappings of due process before being killed.
Meanwhile from the right we have Presidential candidates Ron Paul and Herman Cain representing the libertarian and conservative wings. First, Ron Paul:
"No, I don't think that's a good way to deal with our problems,” Paul said in a videotape of the questioning by reporters. Awlaki “was never tried or charged for any crimes. No one knows if he killed anybody. We know he might have been associated with the ‘underwear bomber.’ But if the American people accept this blindly and casually that we now have an accepted practice of the president assassinating people who he thinks are bad guys. I think it's sad.”…
“I think, what would people have said about Timothy McVeigh? We didn't assassinate him, who certainly had done it,” Paul said. McVeigh “was put through the courts then executed. … To start assassinating American citizens without charges, we should think very seriously about this.”
Paul argued that the killing of Awlaki was different from the attack on Bin Laden because Bin Laden was involved in the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Washington.
Frankly, the Ron Paul logic on this one escapes me entirely. How is it different? Bin Ladin was never put on trial either, so was it just that 9/11 changes it? And who exactly makes the decision as to whether one event is strong enough to overcome the need for a trial, and another is not. I’d like to give the Dr., the benefit of the doubt and assumed he was misquoted, and/or there was something else he said to bolster this line of thinking, but I have been looking for two days and found nothing.
Meanwhile, Hermann Cain is being no less difficult to pin down on this one. On May 5 of this year, Cain said
"He should be charged. And since he's an American citizen, he should be tried in our courts," Cain said of al-Awlaki. When asked if he considered it legal for President Obama to order al-Awlaki killed, Cain said, "In his case, no, because he's an American citizen."
This week, somewhat inexplicably, he stated:
“I never said that [President Obama] should not have ordered [the killing]. I don’t recall saying that. I think you’ve got some misinformation," Cain said. "Keep in mind that there are a lot of people out there trying to make me sound as if I am indecisive."
“I don’t know all of the compelling evidence that the intelligence agencies and the military had. I’m convinced—I’m convinced that they have enough intelligence information that said he’s a threat to the United States of America,” Cain said. “You don’t try to prosecute or capture him simply because he’s a United States citizen.”
Unfortunately, we don’t have a particularly clear-cut explanation of the legal thinking of the White House, as the memo that was drafted is secret….
The Justice Department wrote a secret memorandum authorizing the lethal targeting of Anwar al-Aulaqi, the American-born radical cleric who was killed by a U.S. drone strike Friday, according to administration officials.
The document was produced following a review of the legal issues raised by striking a U.S. citizen and involved senior lawyers from across the administration. There was no dissent about the legality of killing Aulaqi, the officials said.
“What constitutes due process in this case is a due process in war,” said one of the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss closely held deliberations within the administration.
The closest that we have to a legal reasoning is a speech by John O. Brennan, Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism before the Program on Law and Security at the Harvard Law School:
In the face of this ongoing and evolving threat, the Obama Administration has worked to establish a counterterrorism framework that has been effective in enhancing the security of our nation. This framework is guided by several core principles.
First, our highest priority is – and always will be – the safety and security of the American people. As President Obama has said, we have no greater responsibility as a government.
Second, we will use every lawful tool and authority at our disposal. No single agency or department has sole responsibility for this fight because no single department or agency possesses all the capabilities needed for this fight.
Third, we are pragmatic, not rigid or ideological – making decisions not based on preconceived notions about which action seems “stronger,” but based on what will actually enhance the security of this country and the safety of the American people. We address each threat and each circumstance in a way that best serves our national security interests, which includes building partnerships with countries around the world.
Fourth—and the principle that guides all our actions, foreign and domestic—we will uphold the core values that define us as Americans, and that includes adhering to the rule of law. And when I say “all our actions,” that includes covert actions, which we undertake under the authorities provided to us by Congress. President Obama has directed that all our actions—even when conducted out of public view—remain consistent with our laws and values.
Now, I don’t really see much of a legal argument per se in there, but everyone else is pointing to this speech as the justification. So, in the meantime, I guess we just have to guess as to what it is, and try to find a way to differentiate the Greenwald/Paul/Cain reasoning from that of the White House.
Either way, what do you guys think? Was the strike legally justifiable or not?
UPDATE: This article in Military.com today gives me a little more to go on....
A secret panel of mid-level national security officials has been established that can put American citizens on a “kill or capture” list that is ultimately sent to the White House for final approval.
The panel’s recommendations first go through a group of National Security Council “principals” – meaning Cabinet secretaries and intelligence chiefs – for approval before reaching the president’s desk, according to a report today by Reuter’s.
There is no public record of the panel’s workings and no law actually establishing it or spelling out its functions.
I don't know if that makes me more or less apprehensive about this. Is Congress cool with the President making this quasi-Judicial body without any legislative input?
If anyone is reading an inherent bias on my part in the preceding, I'd love to know what that bias is, because I honestly have no clue how I feel about this whole thing. I feel uncomfortable with secret bodies not authorized by legislation authorizing things like killings. On the other hand, Awlaki needed to be ventilated and good riddance to bad rubbish. But, we should always think worst case scenario with these sorts of things. Can you envision a scenario where a US Citizen is killed abroad with a drone attack, and he didn't have what was coming to him? Probably we all can. So, what safeguard is there? That's where I get somewhat lost.
Update X2: The family of Samir Khan issued this press release today:
We, the family of Samir Khan, in our time of grief and mourning, request that the media let us have our peace and privacy during this difficult time.
It has been stated in the media that Samir was not the target of the attack; however no U.S. official has contacted us with any news about the recovery of our son’s remains, nor offered us any condolences.
As a result, we feel appalled by the indifference shown to us by our government.
Being a law-abiding citizen of the United States, our late son Samir Khan never broke any law and was never implicated of any crime. The Fifth Amendment states that no citizen shall be 'deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law' yet our government assassinated two of its citizens.
Was this style of execution the only solution? Why couldn’t there have been a capture and trial?
Where is the justice? As we mourn our son, we must ask these questions.
Sincerely,
The Khan Family.
I find that mildly ridiculous, because one of the last things Samir wrote was an article in the Al Qaeda Magazine entitled "I am proud be a traitor to America." So, he was a law-abiding self-professed traitor? Something doesn't add up there wouldn't you say?
My Friends at My Pet Jawa are also decidedly unpleased, and included this picture of Sami's article...

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Gene (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:20pm
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Awlaki was an enemy of the
Awlaki was an enemy of the United States. Actively calling for others to kill US Citizens. To me, he is not covered by the US Constitution, even though he was a citizen of the US by birth. To me, the US acted in self defense by eliminating him and his associates.
James Ray (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:21pm
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Use of drones
For this ol'dog it's a no brainer. Potential threat to the US-Peace thru superior firepower-threat eliminated. Now all we need to do is get the US boots off the ground and back in the States.
Del Mitchell (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:21pm
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Drone Killing
Anyone who takes up arms against their fellow citizens, and then advocates jihad against his own countrymen, whether they are here or abroad, should lose their rights for protection and due process. The very fact that this man is an American citizen was lost when he joined these terrorists, but it's even more profound when they continue to advocate terrorism and death in the name of a sick ideaology. The judicial system would never capture this individual, so it's only right he be taken out by a Predator drone. Let's kill more like them.
Brooks (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:24pm
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Legal killings?
Reading the comments it seems that most of them are directed to wether the killings are morally justifiable, not whether they are legal. Are they legal? Probably not. I haven't seen anyone reference any legal exception to the constitutional due process requirement. There's a clear danger of executing US citizens based on a view (albeit a reasonable one) that they deserve killing for some reason. I don't think we want the laws that protect us to be avoided by some moral judgment, particularly one made in a private setting. While I recognize the practicality of the action, and the danger of inaction, I believe that we should pass legislation to provide a legal basis to strip enemy combatants of US citizenship after evidence of terrorist activity has been obtained. That process could be quick but still provide an opportunity for challenge. Once the process, or some other process, has run its course, then the former US citizen could be targeted.
MOTHAX
October 6, 2011 - 4:27pm
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Great comment. That was
Great comment. That was kinda what I was hoping for. And maybe that process even exists, it is certainly alluded to by the Military.com piece. I'm just somewhat uncomfortable with someone saying "yeah, it exists." It's almost like those idiotic TV commercials, "show me the carfax." Well, I wouldn't mind seeing what that process is.
Tuco (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 5:49pm
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Your point would be more
Your point would be more convincing if the context and setting was anything similar to "conventional warfare." Islamofascism is the sworn mortal enemy of Western Civilization, not just the United States. There are no "front lines" or borders or uniforms. A war of ideologies is going to be messy and anyone, regardless of citizenship with one or more recognized nations, who commits acts of war against us is a combatant on a "battlefield," wherever that battlefield might be. Right now, the whole world is a battlefield against the beheaders of The Religion of Peace. There is no danger to Due Process to non-combatant American citizens by taking out a terrorist, be he "American" (on paper) or otherwise.
Tuco (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 5:53pm
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Your point would be more
Your point would be more convincing if the context and setting was anything similar to "conventional warfare." Islamofascism is the sworn mortal enemy of Western Civilization, not just the United States. There are no "front lines" or borders or uniforms. A war of ideologies is going to be messy and anyone, regardless of citizenship with one or more recognized nations, who commits acts of war against us is a combatant on a "battlefield," wherever that battlefield might be. Right now, the whole world is a battlefield against the beheaders of The Religion of Peace. There is no danger to Due Process to non-combatant American citizens by taking out a terrorist, be he "American" (on paper) or otherwise.
John M Rosetto (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:25pm
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Drone attacks
When the day comes that our enemies start asking if it is ok to attack us. maybe we should think about asking if is ok to attack them. Then after thinkinking about it, attack them twice.
jgrinder26 (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:26pm
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Drone Attack
I would rather this type of attack to remove our sworn enemies, than send in troops into further danger. Being a retire solider, I would prefer this to young men going into danger.
Richard Izold (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:27pm
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Killing US citizens
I'm not a bleeding heart liberal - but I do believe in due process. I understand that treason is an offense punishable by death and I agree with that 100%; but, when was the trial? If our government can kill a citizen BEFORE he's tried, we're in very deep trouble. And using the arguement that this guy had declared war on US and deserved to die..... let me ask a question or two: Why is Jane Fonda still alive?
Tuco (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 6:01pm
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Only by the technicality that
Only by the technicality that Vietnam was not a "declared" war. Otherwise, hell yeah. She was quite proud, public and overt about the aiding and abetting she accomplished for the NVA. Sigh... there but for a technicality.
Tuco (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 6:02pm
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Only by the technicality that
Only by the technicality that Vietnam was not a "declared" war. Otherwise, hell yeah. She was quite proud, public and overt about the aiding and abetting she accomplished for the NVA. Sigh... there but for a technicality.
Joseph Burkard (not verified)
October 7, 2011 - 12:28am
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Jane Fonda
She got away with TREASON because of her name. I still think she should be tried for TREASON; convicted and SHOT for her crimes against me and all the other MEN who served in Vietnam.
Lyle Gerlock (not verified)
October 7, 2011 - 12:54am
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Treason
Why indeed
Dan Vrooman (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:27pm
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drone attacks on a US citizen
"Force," wrote Simone Weil, "is as pitiless to those who possess it, or think they possess it, as it is to its victims. The second it crushes; the first it intoxicates." I'm aghast at the intoxication being spewed on this website.
joe navy vet 81-85 (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:29pm
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remember your oath
I swore an oath against all enemies of the constitution both foreign and DOMESTIC?
Joseph DeLuna (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:31pm
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Wacking Terrorist That Happen To Have Been American At One Time!
It's The Only Thing That The Obama Administration Can Do Right! Spies Are Shot, Terrorist Are Hung ( Or Should Be) Expatriates ( They Are To Me) Who Give Aid And Comfort To The Enemy ( Jane Fonda, Ramsey Clark, John Kerry) Should Be Hung Also! This Thing That Happen To Those Miscreants Was A Good Thing And One That Does not Need A Debate!
Knightstar (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:32pm
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Due Process ?
Kill the SOB....
Now that is the real process !!!
Kurt Obispo (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:34pm
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RE Due Process
It was jutified, alls fair in Love and War!
Vernon (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:38pm
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Drone Attacks
If they are of the terrorist groups that are trying to destroy this Country, then take
them out anyway you can, no need to waste tax payer money in a trial. They are the enemy
Howard Andersen... (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:39pm
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Drones and Due process
Why is this even up for discussion! By all means this was justifiable. He was a danger to the world at large, not only the country he abandoned. It is my hope that it sends a message to the other A.. H...s that they may be next.
Robert Meech (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:40pm
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1 less al-quaeda
I am a disabled vet living around the clock on the rationed amount of pain pills the V.A. allows & my feeling is that the only regret is that he did not take more of his associates with him !
KY DAVE (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:45pm
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The raghead SOB was a traitor
The raghead SOB was a traitor, this no one should dispute. He would have killed you and me if he had the chance. He got what was "due" him so I say he got all he "due process" he required.
Bloodhound (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:45pm
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Justified
Q. Are we at war or are we not? If we are at war, then get the politicians out of it and let the warriors fight. One goes to war to win. That means destroy the opponents desire to continue. Beat him into submission. We have not 'won' any war since WWII. That's right WWII. Everything since has been the opponent drawing a line across the Country that we are 'not allowed to cross!" But they do? Let's quit this garbage and 'win' the war and let all the others know that we will not tolerate 9/11 or any terrorist attack on us. Beat them 'till there is none left to do anything.
John Crowe (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:48pm
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Enemy Combatants
Easy Call !! We are at war my nephew has done 3 tours in Iraq and 1 in Afghanistan. If killing these SOB's has to be debated than we need to withdraw to our borders and fight it here. I was always taught tha a a good offense is better. These bad guy sponsor attacks on the U S and are soldiers in the field. We are over intellectualizing this topic if we did this in WW2 we be speaking Japanese on the west coast and German on the east cost. Get real kill the bastards !!!!!!
Nunya (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:50pm
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Wake up!
Its all these illegal wars that got us in the mess we are in currently so I would not use that as a justifiable excuse. He has rights as a citizen whether he worked for the CIA or not....
Louis Celli
October 6, 2011 - 4:51pm
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Read the Amendment V of the U.S. Constitution
Someone asked if this action was legal. For the answer to this question we need look no further than our Bill of Rights. UNFORTUNATELY the journalist, who authored the piece that talked about due process and the Fifth Amendment, only quoted the first part of the amendment. Now – let us look at the Fifth Amendment in its entirety:
“No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”
Further, the First Amendment does not protect acts of physical aggression, nor does it protect against language that insights a “clear and present danger” (Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes).
MOTHAX
October 6, 2011 - 5:05pm
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The only problem there is
The only problem there is that we aren't at war in Yemen. I think if this was in A-Stan or Iraq, I don't even know that I would have cared enough to write it. And frankly, I think the debate is largely about function anyway, since like everyone else here, I am pretty stoked these guys became vaporous. But, I would like to come up with a hypothetical that might be a closer call. Unfortunately for me, none leap to mind.
booboo (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:51pm
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drones
When it comes to the lives of innocent people then yes the Drone attacks are justified
Patti Sherman (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:51pm
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Right on
You bet your ass...they did the right thing!
O. P. Ditch (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:52pm
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GWOT
Damn straight it was legit.
Myron Hall (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:52pm
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Use of Drones
The use of drones is legitimate and makes good sense. They are certainly more accurate and dependable than some of our aircraft were in Viet Nam. When someone decides to leave our country and fight against us, he or she, is no longer to be considered a citizen. They have renounced their citizenship de facto. What is so hard to grasp about this? I vote for saving the lives of our fighting men and women, not our enemies, even though we are taught by Jesus to love them, we still need to protect our owns.
steve kallman (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 5:11pm
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Justice
When you are a US Citizen, you are obligated to abide by the US Constitution, & it's Laws, Rules-regulations! If a US Citizen violates the Constitution, aides the enemy, & engages in acts against the US, US Constitution, US Military , & Civilian personal, that person is clearly an enemy combatant, & therefore has no US Citizen valid Rights!
Jack Arizpe (US... (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:54pm
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Predator drones
This rag head was a traitor so he got what he deserved
Al Garber (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:56pm
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Drones and Killing the Enemy
We have the absolute right and responsibility to kill our enemies. There is no reason that we have to wait for our enemies to kill us before we take action. Killing them on the battlefield with a drone or killing them with rifle fire gives the same result; victory.
Jeff D. (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 4:56pm
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Of Predator Drones and Due Process
Being a former "Drone" pilot/operator I would say the process works quite well and requires a larger number of deployments both along our borders and overseas in any country a threat to our nation is realized
Dr. Paul R. VeH... (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 5:02pm
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Predator Drones
I consider myself to be a pragmatic progressive. I absolutely agree that the Obama Administration is taking the right action in using the Predator Drones in every possible way to defend our Nation. I am tired of hearing Obama, and our joint chiefs criticized for taking action. Those people who can only say no are beginning to sound hollow in their criticisms. Most of our politicians now have never served in our Armed Forces. Maybe before they are allowed to be in an elective office they should have to serve at least six months of active duty combat training.
Ironjaw vetIf w... (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 5:02pm
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A tratior is a tratior,there
A tratior is a tratior,there is no excuse for his acts.He got what he deserved.If we do not take care of business when necessary we will have another 9-11!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ron Hill (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 5:03pm
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Al-Awlaki
Was the drone attack that killed Al-Awlaki justified since he didn't have due process of law? Did the 3000 or so people who were killed by Al Qaeda operatives at the Twin Towers have due process? Al-Awlaki was a traitor and a dangerous fanatic determined to kill Americans and bring down the American government and way of life. He didn't deserve due process, nor do any other of the Al Qaeda scum. Stop treating this combat as though it's cops-N-robbers. It isn't and any, ANY methods we choose to use to eradicate Al Qaeda are fair, just and justified.
Lou (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 5:03pm
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Justified
Laws do not apply to terrorists and any means to stop them should be used whether or not they are US citizens.
Gordon (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 5:03pm
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seems to be confusing to some??
Some seem confused on the difference between a US of A citizen that leads a normal life and one that has affiliated himself with a terrorist organization that we are at war with. A normal citizen who is not affiliated with a terrorist organization deserves all the benefits of due process and one who affiliates himself with a terrorist organization with which we are at war has given up his right to due process because in effect he has declared war on the US of A. Declaring war on his own country a person gives up the protections they were afforded by that countries constitution. That is why rules of war apply and rules of law have no application. If your looking at a guestion of morality, then your looking in the wrong direction. Gordon
Robert Seals (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 5:05pm
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Wrong on many levels
Although i have no love lost for this guy as long as he was an American citizen he is entitled to certain rights. We should not have a secret panel that gets to put Americans on a "hit list". This man was not convicted nor even charged with a crime. Sets a very bad precedence. Why don't we just fly drones around the US and if we see a car speeding away from a bank robbery, we just blow it up (no need for police, courts or jails)!
Dan Vrooman (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 5:06pm
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drone attack on US citizen
"You can't solve a problem with the same kind of thinking that created it in the first place" according to Albert Einstein. There is such a thing as being human and of believing in a common destiny, which trumps any half-baked quote such as "All's fair in love and war," because all paths lead to the same goal: to convey to others what we are. That is why this question of morality of a drone attack on a US citizen was asked in the first place. "Force," wrote Simone Weil, "is as pitiless to the person who possesses it, or thinks they possess it, as it is to its victims. The second it crushes; the first it intoxicates."
I would have to say we are sounding "drunk and disorderly"....hardly grounds for good judgement, let alone an awareness of morality and/or legality.
Dennis V. (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 5:06pm
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Of Predator Drones and Due Process..
Let's not start to go soft on these enemies! They are not going to go soft on us!
Joe Ochap (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 5:06pm
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Predator Drones and Due Process
Yes, justified! In my opinion he was a traitor and an enemy.
DavidK (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 5:07pm
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Anwar al awlaki
Yes it was fair to kill him! Fighting with the enemy makes him a traitor! He deserves everything he got! Get the politics out of American wars? Let the soldier do his job!
Bill Mims (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 5:09pm
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I as a combat vet say kill
I as a combat vet say kill anyone before they kill us. I don't care who or where they are.
Ed (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 5:13pm
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Drone Kill
The guy was a traitor--we still shoot traitors. The due process was his alligence to the enemy.
PAUL DISGUSTED (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 5:15pm
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DRONE
A DRONE FIRING IS THE SAME AS ANY GUN, CARBINE, MISSILE FIRED. WE HAVE THE TECHNICOLOGY, ERGO WE HAVE THE WAR WEAPONS. IT'S A NO BRAINER. WHATEVER IT TAKES TO DEFEAT THE ENEMY.
mdj (not verified)
October 6, 2011 - 5:17pm
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No perimeter no battle lines
If these attacks save American lives and he is an enemy of peace and our nation, then war is hell.
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