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Was the attack that killed Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan justified under US and International Law?

Just to give a basic framework of the discussion, the Palm Beach Post lays it out rather nicely:

The killing of the U.S.-born Al-Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki on Friday along with another U.S. citizen and two other Al-Qaeda operatives in Yemen is likely to fuel the international controversy over the legality and wisdom of the Obama administration's dramatically increased use of drone attacks.

For several years, U.S. allies have made no public comment, even as U.S. drone strikes have killed twice as many suspected Al-Qaeda and Taliban members than were ever imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay. But that acquiescence may change, as human rights groups and the media debate the legality and collateral damage of drone attacks. The U.S. drone program has been highly effective in killing senior Al-Qaeda leaders, but the administration needs to better explain and defend its use of drones to avoid losing international support and potentially exposing administration officials to legal liability

The U.S. position, under the Bush and Obama administrations, has been that drone strikes against Al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders are permitted by the September 2001 Authorization to Use Military Force Act, which empowered the president to use "all necessary and appropriate force" against nations, organizations or persons who planned, committed or aided the Sept. 11 attacks. The United States also believes that drone strikes are permitted under international law and the United Nations Charter as actions in self-defense, with or without the consent of the country where the strike takes place.

It’s perhaps easiest to start with the people who think that it was not justified, which seems to range across the political spectrum, but noticeably more present at the far peripheries.  From the far left, it is customary for me to start with Glenn Greenwald of Salon…

What’s most striking about this is not that the U.S. Government has seized and exercised exactly the power the Fifth Amendment was designed to bar (“No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law”), and did so in a way that almost certainly violates core First Amendment protections (questions that will now never be decided in a court of law). What’s most amazing is that its citizens will not merely refrain from objecting, but will stand and cheer the U.S. Government’s new power to assassinate their fellow citizens, far from any battlefield, literally without a shred of due process from the U.S. Government.  Many will celebrate the strong, decisive, Tough President’s ability to eradicate the life of Anwar al-Awlaki — including many who just so righteously condemned those Republican audience members as so terribly barbaric and crass for cheering Governor Perry’s execution of scores of serial murderers and rapists: criminals who were at least given a trial and appeals and the other trappings of due process before being killed. 

Meanwhile from the right we have Presidential candidates Ron Paul and Herman Cain representing the libertarian and conservative wings.  First, Ron Paul:

"No, I don't think that's a good way to deal with our problems,” Paul said in a videotape of the questioning by reporters. Awlaki “was never tried or charged for any crimes. No one knows if he killed anybody. We know he might have been associated with the ‘underwear bomber.’ But if the American people accept this blindly and casually that we now have an accepted practice of the president assassinating people who he thinks are bad guys. I think it's sad.”…

“I think, what would people have said about Timothy McVeigh? We didn't assassinate him, who certainly had done it,” Paul said. McVeigh “was put through the courts then executed. … To start assassinating American citizens without charges, we should think very seriously about this.”

Paul argued that the killing of Awlaki was different from the attack on Bin Laden because Bin Laden was involved in the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Washington.

 Frankly, the Ron Paul logic on this one escapes me entirely.    How is it different?  Bin Ladin was never put on trial either, so was it just that 9/11 changes it?  And who exactly makes the decision as to whether one event is strong enough to overcome the need for a trial, and another is not.  I’d like to give the Dr., the benefit of the doubt and assumed he was misquoted, and/or there was something else he said to bolster this line of thinking, but I have been looking for two days and found nothing.

Meanwhile, Hermann Cain is being no less difficult to pin down on this one.  On May 5 of this year, Cain said

"He should be charged. And since he's an American citizen, he should be tried in our courts," Cain said of al-Awlaki. When asked if he considered it legal for President Obama to order al-Awlaki killed, Cain said, "In his case, no, because he's an American citizen."

 

This week, somewhat inexplicably, he stated:

“I never said that [President Obama] should not have ordered [the killing]. I don’t recall saying that. I think you’ve got some misinformation," Cain said. "Keep in mind that there are a lot of people out there trying to make me sound as if I am indecisive."

“I don’t know all of the compelling evidence that the intelligence agencies and the military had. I’m convinced—I’m convinced that they have enough intelligence information that said he’s a threat to the United States of America,” Cain said. “You don’t try to prosecute or capture him simply because he’s a United States citizen.”

Unfortunately, we don’t have a particularly clear-cut explanation of the legal thinking of the White House, as the memo that was drafted is secret….

The Justice Department wrote a secret memorandum authorizing the lethal targeting of Anwar al-Aulaqi, the American-born radical cleric who was killed by a U.S. drone strike Friday, according to administration officials.

The document was produced following a review of the legal issues raised by striking a U.S. citizen and involved senior lawyers from across the administration. There was no dissent about the legality of killing Aulaqi, the officials said.

“What constitutes due process in this case is a due process in war,” said one of the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss closely held deliberations within the administration.

 

The closest that we have to a legal reasoning is a speech by John O. Brennan, Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism before the Program on Law and Security at the Harvard Law School:

 

In the face of this ongoing and evolving threat, the Obama Administration has worked to establish a counterterrorism framework that has been effective in enhancing the security of our nation.  This framework is guided by several core principles.

First, our highest priority is – and always will be – the safety and security of the American people.  As President Obama has said, we have no greater responsibility as a government.

Second, we will use every lawful tool and authority at our disposal.  No single agency or department has sole responsibility for this fight because no single department or agency possesses all the capabilities needed for this fight. 

Third, we are pragmatic, not rigid or ideological – making decisions not based on preconceived notions about which action seems “stronger,” but based on what will actually enhance the security of this country and the safety of the American people.  We address each threat and each circumstance in a way that best serves our national security interests, which includes building partnerships with countries around the world.

Fourth—and the principle that guides all our actions, foreign and domestic—we will uphold the core values that define us as Americans, and that includes adhering to the rule of law.  And when I say “all our actions,” that includes covert actions, which we undertake under the authorities provided to us by Congress.  President Obama has directed that all our actions—even when conducted out of public view—remain consistent with our laws and values.

 

Now, I don’t really see much of a legal argument per se in there, but everyone else is pointing to this speech as the justification.  So, in the meantime, I guess we just have to guess as to what it is, and try to find a way to differentiate the Greenwald/Paul/Cain reasoning from that of the White House. 

Either way, what do you guys think?  Was the strike legally justifiable or not?

 

UPDATE:  This article in Military.com today gives me a little more to go on....

A secret panel of mid-level national security officials has been established that can put American citizens on a “kill or capture” list that is ultimately sent to the White House for final approval.

The panel’s recommendations first go through a group of National Security Council “principals” – meaning Cabinet secretaries and intelligence chiefs – for approval before reaching the president’s desk, according to a report today by Reuter’s.

There is no public record of the panel’s workings and no law actually establishing it or spelling out its functions.

 

I don't know if that makes me more or less apprehensive about this.  Is Congress cool with the President making this quasi-Judicial body without any legislative input? 

If anyone is reading an inherent bias on my part in the preceding, I'd love to know what that bias is, because I honestly have no clue how I feel about this whole thing.  I feel uncomfortable with secret bodies not authorized by legislation authorizing things like killings.  On the other hand, Awlaki needed to be ventilated and good riddance to bad rubbish.  But, we should always think worst case scenario with these sorts of things.  Can you envision a scenario where a US Citizen is killed abroad with a drone attack, and he didn't have what was coming to him?  Probably we all can.  So, what safeguard is there?  That's where I get somewhat lost. 

Update X2: The family of Samir Khan issued this press release today:

We, the family of Samir Khan, in our time of grief and mourning, request that the media let us have our peace and privacy during this difficult time.

It has been stated in the media that Samir was not the target of the attack; however no U.S. official has contacted us with any news about the recovery of our son’s remains, nor offered us any condolences.

As a result, we feel appalled by the indifference shown to us by our government.

Being a law-abiding citizen of the United States, our late son Samir Khan never broke any law and was never implicated of any crime. The Fifth Amendment states that no citizen shall be 'deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law' yet our government assassinated two of its citizens.

Was this style of execution the only solution? Why couldn’t there have been a capture and trial?

Where is the justice? As we mourn our son, we must ask these questions.

Sincerely,

The Khan Family.

I find that mildly ridiculous, because one of the last things Samir wrote was an article in the Al Qaeda Magazine entitled "I am proud be a traitor to America." So, he was a law-abiding self-professed traitor? Something doesn't add up there wouldn't you say?

 

My Friends at My Pet Jawa are also decidedly unpleased, and included this picture of Sami's article...

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My only regret is that it should have been done sooner. Hell yes it was justified !!!!!!

IN MY VIEW, YES! IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO! WE NEED TO STOP WITH ALL THE POLITICAL BS AND JUST MAKE A STATEMENT ONCE AND FOR ALL. AND PUT THEM TO SLEEP FOR GOOD AND BRING OUR TROOPS HOME.

We are at War and need to Stop considering any faction of the as if this were a Civil Court Matter. Destroy the Will and Abiity of the Enemy -- Due Process has No part in that!

Ron

I'm all for doing whatever it takes to get rid of turncoats, including American Jihadists like these
al-Awlaki and Kahn. However, I do have a problem with the selection process: As I understand it, there is a small committee (the number of and who is unknown) who reviews the information and decides on who lives and who dies, sort of a modern day thumbs up, or thumbs down process and gives their decision to the president for his acceptance, or rejection. The committee members are unknown, the guidlines are not known, and there are no records kept. Sorry guys, but that sounds a little un-American and a little risky to me. I am critical of the CinC and call the White House and tell him why, I send an occasional letter, and I'm pretty vocal with various Representatives and Senators, so wonder if my name is on a list for one thing or another. I still refuse to accept draft dodgers of the Vietnam War, believe Jane Fonda should still be in prison or living in Haiphong, and war protesters like Bill Walton shouldn't havbe been allowed to play professional sports or work at gainful employment, but killing citizens without due process is wrong. After all the underweart bomber is getting a trial, John Walker got a trial even after being plucked off of the battlefied, etc. Ifd American turncoats are killed in battle, that is fine with me, but to target them seems shakey.

He gave up his citizenship when he joined Al Qaeda and plotted against the U.S.. As for the increased use of drones, the less of our forces put in harms way the better. The Patriot Act expanded what force was justified to keep our citizens and shores safe.
I know, he did not have his day in court but neither would an individual who while robbing a bank took hostages and threatened to kill them. That person, justifiably, would be taken out.

REGARDLESS OF WETHER WE HAVE ABSOLUTE PROFF, IT TAKES AT LEAST TWO WITNESSES TO RECORD AN ACT OF TREASON, I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAD A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HAD HEARD OR WERE AROUND WHEN HE TOOK CREDIT FOR HIS CRIME. ERGO, HE IS GUILTY OF TREASON. SIMPLY BECAUSE HE ISN'T WITHIN REACH TO TAKE TO TRIAL, HE IS STILL A THREAT TO OUR WELL BEING. WE ARE AT WAR WITH THIS GROUP...HE IS THE ENEMY. BY WHATEVER MEANS WE MUST TAKE OUT THE LEADERSHIP. I AM JUST SO HAPPY THAT THESE DUE PROCESS PEOPLE WERE NOT AROUND DURING WWII OR WE MAY STILL BE TRYING TO GET HITLER AND MUSSOLINI. AGAIN, NO AMERICAN THAT I KNOW OF EVER SAW HITLER KILL ANYONE, BUT T40 MILLION PEOPLE DIED FROM SOMETHING.

But the distinction is that we were at war with Germany, so I'm not certain how they would have been entitled to due process anyway.  But, if an American was in Argentina and was on TV telling Argentinians that they should rise up and kill Americans, would it be okay to bomb him?  

What's it take for traitor, who wants to destroy his own country because of some religious beliefs? Looks to me like the right thing to do in an assametric war!

I don't give a damn if it was legal or not. A terrorist who has sworn to kill American men, women and children by any means possible should be killed anyway possible before he does have the chance to carry out his threats. I just wish it could have been up close by seal Team 6 so he could have seen the barrel about to put a bullet between his eyes.

what part of "...against all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC" did you not understand when you took the oath of enlistment or in POTUS case, the oath of office?

Yea I understand it perfectly. Its right after the phrase "support and defend the U.S. Constitution"

This overly cautious consideration for the rights of bastards like this guy really fries my buns. It seems that we the general public have become so soft and politically correct that we cannot see the difference between dealing with hostiles vs. dealing with friendly’s. This character deserved to die as a conspirator and traitor to the USA. I hold the average Muslim complicit in not standing up to the radical Muslims both in this country and internationally. They are intimidated by these thugs and have not the guts to say they have had enough. Let’s get back to basics and call a spade a spade, do away with any radical individual that threatens your space. If you do not soon he will be in your space, wait and see. God Bless our country and our kids as they will have to continue the fight to stay free.

The Islamic Bas**** renounced his American Citizenship when he aligned himself with the terrorists. We did not kill an American Citizen without due process, we exterminated an Islamic Parasite with the worlds leading fly swatter. It was written years ago in the Viet era "Kill 'em all let God sort them out" the adage holds true today

I agree with you in spirit of course, but the law says otherwise.

A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship:

  1. appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer,
  2. in a foreign country (normally at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate); and
  3. sign an oath of renunciation

Yes, no matter the method, when any person is an enemy of America and dedicate their life to distroying the freedom we enjoy with terriosm, death is the end game.

This creep was clearly a traitor by his own public admission. My concern is that there may be a vocal critic of an administration who is declared a traitor in order to exterminate. There is no protocol in place to make that determination. If this guy had been given a military tribunal in absentia and found guilty of treason, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Constitutionally, the President has no authority to determine who is a traitor and Congress has not given him that authority.
Again, this guy was clearly an active enemy of the state.
What happens though when it isn't so clear? In Cuba, Venezuela, China, Iran, activists are routinely set up as traitors. None of their own public assertions indicate treason, it is only the revelation of the government that reveals some secret.

YES YES YES A THOUSAND TIMES YES whatever it takes to kill the cowardly snake that they are.

A traitor has no rights therefore it was justified. I can not believe this even came up

Hell yes, people who plan and kill because their their thoughts are are right and ours are wrong does not give them the right to kill us. rememeber an eye for an eye

Sorry for the earlier typos. I imagine I just said I wouldn't want to find out that Eric "My People" Holder was on the selection committee on who got greased. He has continuelly shown some really bad judgement.

Other than press reports, I'm not sure where the evidence of treason, treachery, murder by a US citizen comes from. If you assume the truth of those reports, then I agree that the punishment is deserved.
But do we really want to try, convict and execute a US citizen based on a press report? If the evidence is so obvious, then it should be a simple matter to enter a finding of such conduct. Why is that such a problem? Remember we are talking about a premeditated execution, not shooting back on a battlefield.
It's one thing to recognize that we are in a fierce battle with some Islamic radicals. It's quite another to assign mortal responsibility for their acts to a specific US citizen. I think we need to tread carefully here, and avoid being led by those who get whipped into a frenzy by press stories.

I thought to be in American Legion is former military personnel. It's obvious the combat consist of more than just shooting to be considered combat. There has to be leaders and clearly the traitor was one of their key personnel and deserved everything that he got. If he wasn't part of their movement, he should have been at home helping his family or watching TV or whatever we do as citizens. I don't like this war, but it is war and that isn't all nice and clean.

So because he was where he was, instead of at home in the US, and because terrorists have to have leaders, you assume that he was a traitor, a terrorist leader and should be killed. I bet any prosecutor would love to have you on a jury panel.

President Obama got this one right!!!!

Hello Eceryone

All pf you who condone this action should ask yourselves a very clear question.

It is only a very short step from overseas to citizens within the boundaries of this USA.

How long iis it going to be before this administration starts killing us here at home under the same guideline of bogus terrorism?
I say this administration because there will not ne another under current circumstances.

He forfeit his rights when he declared war on anyone who did not uphold his ideals. I hate that this was a necessary event that is not negotiable as there is no voice of reason for the side he choose.

Once you have allied yourself with the enemies of our way of life in the United States you are a guilty of treason. You are fair game for our military to take you out or take you in to custody. Why should the US always have to play by the rules and our enemies do as they please. Do not tie the hands of the people who protect us !

Your damn right. Theyare traitors to our country and deserve what happened to them. Anybody that criticizes the killing of a traitor needs to change countries. This is and Bin Laden are the only things Obummmma has done right. And he did not have to lie about it. WOW

Any means necessary to take-out the enemy shoul be used. Any American "Bleeding Heart" should go over there and live(or die).

Unfortunately, They killed southeners in the Civil War. This idiot left this great nation and went else where to fight against us. So why is he asumed better than the poor southern boys.

In time of war, treason penalty is death. I, believe in the policy of locating these traitors and if they are found within the United States and its territories, try and execute. If found overseas, do as we did to this traitor. Least cost to the taxpayer to boot!

An enemy is an enemy is an enemy.... I don't care if he was from my state of GA, he had to go and I am glad his ass is toast!
I swore to uphold the constitution against all enemy's foreign and domestic. He chose his own path and he got what he deserved... Good riddance!

Any individual that bears arms or helpd others to bear arms against the United States or insight hatered towards this country give up their right to call themselves a Citizen and gives up any right for the protection of the United States.

I don't know...., for look time thought may 1970 - Kent State - sad day for history. American troops killed Americans. Think of The Weathermen, Black Panthers, SDS, do not think any overt gestures by the government to whack 'em. These guys in Yemen? No good, traitors, earned being killed, but by American hands sans due process??? 911 changed everything, perhaps my thoughts too!

If you are with Al-Qaeda you got what was coming to you. It doesn't matter if you where born in the US. If you are a traitor then you did it to your self. stop wasting peoples time asking if it was justified. Was the attack on the Twin Towers, Pentagon or the flight heading to the White House justified. Ask the family and friends of people who died fighting to protect our way of life and to fight for the people who died on 911. Ask them what they think you whiny little B#^@&.

Given the majority of comments here, I would conclude that you would be grateful to Abu Musab al Zarqawi for beheading Nicholas Berg, an American citizen, for having a curious connection to Zacarias Moussaoui (who just happened to attend flight school at the same University of Oklahoma that Nicholas went to); that is even after the FBI had thoroughly investigated the circumstances surrounding this case. I guess we should all forget due process then, and have let Zarqawi act on your behalf.....Funny how, Michael Berg, the father, didn't seem to see it that way. Take a break from your vitriol and go back to the porch where CBS shoved a mike into Michael Berg's face and asked him what he thought about our blowing Zarqawi to smitherines after beheading his son. You might be as surprised as CBS was?

This was a traitor, who was proud to declare war on the USA, and any country that would not convert to Islam. Even if we used his own religion, this was justified.
He would have been able to stand trial in the US if he chose. His choice was to join the group that declared war on the world. Why is a traitor's "civil rights" more important than my right to live?

If you lie with the terrorist, you die with the terrorist, it's a no brainer

American or not he put himself in the position of an enemy combatant who's aim was to kill Americans and had participated in planning those acts. The chances of him coming to the US to be tried wasn't going to happen. He made his aims public and for the whole world to see that he was at war with the United States of America and worthy of treatment as an enemy combatant including death by any means necessary. Jane Fonda was a protester and a totally different action. She didn't plot to kill anyone or do physical harm. As a Viet Nam Vet i'm glad they forced us out of that mess.

It sounds to me as if most of you would be grateful to Abu Musab al Zarqawi for beheading Nicholas Berg, an American citizen, for having a curious connection to Zacarias Moussaoui at the University of Oklahoma ( where Moussaoui took his flight lessons). Then why did a thorough investigation by the FBI find otherwise? And, perhaps, you should take a break from your vitriolic comments, and view the comments that Michael Berg, his father, gave the CBS reporters on his porch shortly after it was announced that we blew Zarqawi to smithereens with a smart bomb? You might be as surprised as CBS was with his heartfelt response of "how saddened he was that another life had been taken?"
Get a grip, and I don't mean on a martini glass.

If the information is correct, this guy was a traitor. As Bush said.."you're either with US or against US". It's time we declare WAR, and do whatever it takes to protect the US of America and if you side with the terrorists, then you are AGAINST the US of America....we are about to help you meet your maker!

Family musta been snickering when they wrote tribute. He got nailed in service to their 'cause'. Every Arab mother's dream. Did the '3000' get arrest and trial? It has taken 40-odd years but maybe Joan Baez' and Hanoi Jane's days are numbered. John Kerry could be their driver.

Anyone who would attack innocent people and kill them or call for them to be killed and spread that idea make themselves targets. If your going to get yourself involved in a war don't be surprised if you get yourself killed. You become the enemy of your nation that's what you are, the enemy of your nation. I would have shot them myself if I could have had the chance! Justified? You bet it was!

This so called man gave up his right to citizenship when he lied to get money for college as a foreign student. Therefore, in my opinion he was never a U.S. citizen.

Did this jerk or anyother that has planned or carried out attacks against our people ever really care about this country or the consequences of what would happen if caught. They got what they deserved. And to go a bit farther, people like Kerry and Fonda ought to kiss the ground they walk on and thank the people who fought and died in all the wars that they can today, live off the rest of us because if their actions were done in another country, they would not be alive today. And to those who voted for Kerry and watched Fonda in the movies, STUPID. And to the parents of these American born terrorists, Your loss is our gain towards a better world.

Anwar gave up his right to be an american when he contributed to killing innocent people. He gave it up when he decided that a moslem based society based in siocialism and communism is best for this country. His actions were more than a demonstration against policies by our govrnment. Drone him and any other americans and Canadians who decide to harm us.

Bet your bottom dollar it it is right and justified. Anyone who disputes this just has his or her morals in the wrong place. No matter what you political affiliation, once we are at war we need to find the fastest and safest way to end that war. I cannot believe we aren't using more of this type of action, we know where the enemy is, we should eradicate them...and poison their poppy fields.

Glwnn Greenwald must be a left wing liberial. Get a grip on it Glenn Anwar Al-Awlake left our country and ran with the enemy. When he did that he gave up his U.S. Citizenship. We should have left those mountain climbers over there als. They had no business being there. The way Glenn thinks is pathetic. Think of Americqa first and our freedom. bottom line we need more drones.

Screw these right wing assh**les. We got another bad guy and we are going to continue getting them. These conservatives don't give a damn about our country, and are far more concerned with finding fault and tearing down the country than they are interested in joining forces and going after our common enemies. All I can say is get behind the USA or go join the Taliban and we will come for you.

Um.....Glenn Greenwald is not a right winger.  That was my point, there are right and left opposing this, and right and left supporting it.  It was one of the rare times where I wrote a post that couldn't be broken down on partisan lines, or so I though.

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